ICE and the Heritage Foundation are both government sanctioned domestic terrorist organizations.
Oh, but it was fine before?
man, if on she had seen this coming and said something about how the dnc was fucking americans out of a fair election. but it was all soooo unpredictable… /s
The whole DHS has been that since its inception.
Wild to see this fervor after a white woman was killed, this is like the fourth or fifth time ICE has murdered someone in a year but now our “worst fears have been realized.” They certainly weren’t an anti-civilian paramilitary when they were fucking raiding American ghettos with helicopters and kidnapping people in unmarked vans off the streets. We don’t care about that, obviously, but now they’ve crossed a line!
This country fucking sucks.
His policies have killed millions. Stories of white women being brutalized have always pulled at Americans heart strings. We better learn to use it to our advantage, for the sake of everyone.
We better learn to use it to our advantage
While you’re still talking about learning, they’ve already mastered it. Your brutalized white woman is a terrorist in their narrative and people are already buying that.
Stories of white women being brutalized have always pulled at Americans heart strings.
If decades of school kids getting shot in their schools doesn’t motivate Americans to take action, I’m not hopeful that this will either.
I really want my cynicism to be proven wrong, but after watching the Americans for over 50 years, I don’t expect it will be.
If that’s what it takes then I’ll take it.
Amen to that. Dont let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
Camel, straw, back. If this becomes the tipping point so be it
It won’t be, but even if it were; would you really want to fight side by side with someone whose only motivator is fear?
Sounds like the kinda person who would immediately sell you out to the fascists if they were promised a deal that would protect themselves.
uh yes. why would I care what their motives are if theyre fighting nazis.
a call to inaction because people aren’t “pure of heart” is dumb.
I imagine you would care quite a bit when the knife is sticking out of your back.
More that 30 people have died in concentration camps as well.
This country fucking sucks.
Hear fucking hear.
sorry can you link the others. because I don’t think there’s 13 camera angles for the other ones
this is like the fourth or fifth time ICE has murdered See, I didn’t even know about this and I like to think I follow US news quite closely. I must have missed it or my brain shorted out because of the constant flood of awful news coming out of that country.
? Where is it coming from that she was queer and what has that to do with anything?
It doesn’t matter if she is queer or not, it’s completely irrelevant.
If she had been an African American man, or an Asian Transgender woman, it would, should, not have mastered at all, it is just as tragic and it’s still murder
Having said that, so yeah, you have a paramilitary organization murdering people in the US. Again, the wording is weird, “anti civilian” is a really weird synonym for murderers, but putting that aside… What are you going to do about it?
Are you kidding? If an African American person gets murdered by cops on video, we get nationwide protests and a months-long focus on racial reckoning.
But a white queer person gets murdered by cops on video, and suddenly her queerness doesn’t matter and is irrelevant? Murder is murder?
In other words, you’re saying “all lives matter” as opposed to “queer lives matter”?
In that case, I think it’s valid to ask if her being queer influenced the
sturmabteilungICE officer’s decision to kill her. There is absolutely discrimination and increased violence from authorities against queer people due to them being queer, but I’m not sure if this is a matter of using disproportionate force against her due to her sexual orientation or if it’s just a matter of ICE being violent in general.That’s the equivalent of asking whether George Floyd being black influenced the cops’ decision to kill him, or if it’s just a matter of cops being violent in general.
That wouldn’t be taken very well, would it?
Did the murdering officer know that the woman was queer? George Floyd’s skin color was rather obvious to anyone close enough.
Does she need to wear a fucking pink triangle on her sleeve for you people to stop trying to erase her identity?
you people
What people are you talking about?
erase her identity
In what way? And how does that at all relate to this?
People like you, everyone coming here to complain in the comments that the headline described her as queer.
What you’re doing is advocating for erasure. Don’t play dumb.
Sure, but that’s not what’s being asked. People are asking why it’s mentioned that she’s queer at all, and the answer simply is that she’s queer. It’s concerning that that fact seems to be not good enough for some people.
Probably the multiple reports describing her wife’s reaction to the shooting?
I don’t understand why people are getting upset over this particular detail, but it’s concerning.
Because it’s not their favored pet cause.
Some people get upset when they hear that white people can be vulnerable minorities too. They want a monopoly on being oppressed, so queerness isn’t a valid identity to them.
“Queer woman?”
First I’ve heard that, where did that come from? I’ve also heard “devout Christian,” but that seems to come and go. Probably not a lot of “queer devout Christians” out there.
I’d like to know who she actually was. Her second husband died, so she doesn’t seem to be gay, but what to do I know?
All this bullshit is irrelevant. They shot one of us. In cold blood. Just for being there when they were carrying out their illegal operations. We are all next.
No, we have to humanize her, that’s what makes the normally apathetic wake up. They want to define her as a monster, and dehumanize her, so they can rationalize and excuse murdering her.
We have to remind everybody, especially MAGAs, that she was exactly like them, a mom of 3, a Christian, a widow, etc. When people see that she isn’t the monster they claim, they start to realize who the real monsters are.
We have seen over and over that Conservatives will shift their opinion when it hits their own life. Dick Cheney, as conservative as any Fascist Nazi, was extremely gay-friendly because he had a gay daughter whom he loved. He could bomb the shit out of foreign brown people because they aren’t real to hom, but he supported gay rights, because gay people were real to him.
When we get MAGAs to see others as fellow humans, it makes a difference to many. Not all, many MAGAs are unsalvageable psychopaths, but some will respond to this. We have to keep whittling away at their approval ratings, and humanizing their victims is an enormous help.
They want to define her as a monster, and dehumanize her, so they can rationalize and excuse murdering her.
Right… Unfortunately that’s why they’re calling her queer 😬
I get what you’re saying, but that’s exactly the opposite of what the media is doing. They are telling the public she wasn’t like them. That she wasn’t Christian, she was a liberal rioter with three children by two men and her lesbian lover beside her in the car when she was out maliciously running over law enforcement in her SUV. Bootlicking Maga chuds with hot jelly in their skulls don’t need much to know a person was evil and deserved to be put down, and so for headlines like this the writers know exactly what they’re doing; boiling this woman’s entire life into one word that shows she’s Not Like Us^TM
So… let me make sure I’m understanding you correctly…
You’re saying the media outlet called “lgbtq nation” described this woman as queer in order to dehumanize her and show people she isn’t like them?
Kinda strange… Who do you think reads lgbtq nation?
Is that supposed to be a clever comeback?
Do you live your life so defensively that you’re offended by my own self depreciation?
Nuance on the word media, not specific to the publication posted here. The media is trying to dehumanize her by calling her queer because to the average MAGA queers are pedophiles wanting to destroy the nation with socialism
So is that why the lgbtq nation called her queer? Just curious.
Cause it seems like right-wing outlets aren’t focusing on her queerness. They’re just calling her a terrorist. Or a “liberal communist,” whatever that is (do they not realize communists hate liberals as much as magas do?)
No, Fox News definitely called her a pro-noun using lesbian.
they can’t differ between liberal and communists that’s the point they are dumb as fuck
And of course the news and memorials about the queer woman one of their ilk murdered shouldn’t mention the fact she was queer, because that might make the MAGAs celebrate her death more than they did from the second they heard about it.
If you think this is better than the 90s era ‘don’t mention someone on our side is queer because it’ll make us look bad’ attitude, you are wrong.
jesus what in the pancakes waffles is this? You assumed a lot of things in that last line (and no I don’t think that)
I never said they should not use that word I just explained how the media (most of it on US is MAGA related) will use her queerness as a weapon
Let’s put a dead queer woman back in the closet, because people that already hate her might still hate her. Oh boy, I can feel the acceptance, it’s totally different from all the homophobia I grew up with!
Not wanting someone reduced down to just their sexuality is not shoving them back in the closet and I don’t appreciate the insinuation that I’m prejudiced for calling it out.
You yourself are advocating for her sexuality not being mentioned at all! If you were trying to advocate for something else here, it absolutely doesn’t come across.
Queer people are constantly erased in death, by prejudiced family and media. Reconsider supporting or saying anything resembling that, such as by going ‘oh no why did the headline of a queer news site have to mention she was queer??’
I wasn’t advocating anything, I was explaining why the news media plastering her sexuality in every headline is an attempt to dehumanize her and send a message to those both inside and outside the mentioned minority. I apologize if it came across to you as queer erasure, that was definitely not what I was going for, but I do understand now how that’s how it could come across, so thank you for that.
Valid. Good post.
Probably not a lot of “queer devout Christians” out there.
Many, many more than you’d think. Plenty of denominations have no problem with queer people. Even the Catholic church has walked back a lot of their anti-queer messaging in the last decade.
When are the people going to fight back?
I’m copying and pasting from another thread I posted in just a few hours ago on basically the same thing.
If you’re wanting a good faith explanation:
The folks who own guns are almost all conservative and live in red states where there is positive sentiment towards ice. The people who are protesting are all left wing and very likely don’t own a gun, and bringing a gun to a protest is easily how you make what could be a day of bruises and cuts into a day of bloodshed. I’ve been to several protests, and the big message is “don’t give them any reason to mow down the crowd”.
Let’s also consider why we don’t organize like they do in Paris. You get arrested? Fired from your job. You get fired from your job? There goes your healthcare. There goes your housing. Our resistance is slow, not because we aren’t passionate or are too complacent and dumb, it’s because the sad fact that sick, starving, and homeless people make for poor resistance, and I doubt anyone wants that fate.
The system we have is against us in ways far more sophisticated than what you deal with in other countries. We are surveilled by are government, controlled by our cops, and sold by our corporations. But we aren’t dumb. We aren’t weak. We see the hellfire and somehow still go out to do what we can, it’s just we are up against the most powerful domestic military force in the world.
Anyway, I gotta go teach children who didn’t ask for any of this. I don’t know how to keep it together, but somehow they do. If you’re in Chicago, I’ll see you in the streets next protest.✊
PS: the kids are alright
I cannot stress enough how vital is the work you are doing by teaching kids.
It’s paramount that we teach the next generation human values of kindness and solidarity.
They are probably the last generation to learn directly from humans, and not corporate controlled AIs.
Best wishes to you and keep on the good fight!
This is so true. The way I see it, there are two ways to shift the status quo. The less likely one is to build labour power by mass unionizing, thus remove many of those factors that make civil action so costly. The more likely one is for shit to get worse for enough people with nothing to lose that the price of civil action drops to zero for some 20-25% of the population. The world has seen that play out before - during The Great Depression.
The folks who own guns are almost all conservative and live in red states where there is positive sentiment towards ice
I don’t think I believe this. The US has 1.2 guns per person including children. You’re telling me they are all owned by less than half of the adult population.
The average American gun owner has 5-8 guns.
Half of all privately held guns in USA are held by 3% of American adults.
https://thegunzone.com/how-many-guns-does-the-average-gun-owner-have/
Anecdotal but of all the gun owners I know, none of them own just one gun.
I just looked it up all the guns are owned by approximately 32% of the population.
I’ve been a gun owner for like 6 months, and it did not take me long to go from 1 to 3.
This is exactly how it works. You buy a hammer and you realize you need a saw, too. And a wrench would be handy. And i need a drill now, so…
It’s not true in the least. The only difference between the left and right gun owners is you’ll never see Christmas cards of the family holding ARs coming out of leftists houses.
Talked to a US coworker today, they are to apathetic to gun violence or any violence that it hasn’t registered that the country is sliding into full facism
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Everyone’s already pointing out “well doing nothing isn’t helping” but I’d like to point out there are many steps between Doomscrolling and Suicide By Cop, such as talking to your neighbors and joining community projects to build your local resiliency.
Go to the library or search up stuff like “charitable orgs [zip code/city/whatever]” and see what you can do. You can’t do anything if everyone around you is too broke and stressed, anyways.
Better to fight back and die than let the fascists take over.
What did trying to leave peacefully accomplish? If they’re going to kill people indiscriminately anyway, might as well bring them with.
There are 22000 ICE agents and roughly 75 million Americans who voted for not this.
I’m not mathmagician, but that’s over 3000:1
You need to factor police numbers, drones, arsenals and ammo.
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I’m a confused on how the administrative and material supporters would be considered innocent. An accomplice is still guilty, and by the time unrest fully foments there will be no unwitting accomplices.
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees
These people don’t get it. Im working with a magat that supports the killing… what can I do that doesn’t completely ruin my kids future? Attack him and get arrested? It isnt so simple.
what can I do
Refute his bullshit with easily verifiable facts whenever thinks he has an audience among your coworkers. As calmly and rationally as you can.
Are doing nothing or attacking that particular man truly the only 2 options you feel you have available?
Let’s keep doing nothing until we can’t do anything!
If that’s the best you can do, then I hope you get better!
Yes.
Damn, I hope your brain gets better!
I might have a chance. Youre condition seems perm.
*Your
And nope, I can imagine many things besides those 2 options. Sorry you can’t. Hope your condition improves!
Go to hr and tell them his comments make you uncomfortable.
Nope, there is only:
- Do nothing
- Attack him
- Go to the moon for some reason
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This is exactly like hitlers SA. The Gestapo is coming if we let it
You already let it. It’s already here.
Obama used the fuck out of ICE too. Pepperiidge Farms remembers.
ice has always been anti-immigration paramilitary force for both parties, they hire the exact people that usually hate immigrants in general, otherwise no normal citizens are going to do it, it just that DRUMPF lowered the bar so much that anyone can join.
I don’t quite understand why it would be relevant that she’s queer other than that’s the focus of the particular news organisation. I bring that up in part because I’m not sure there’s actually evidence that the mother of a six year old whose father died two years ago is in fact queer.
Seems unnecessary to confine people to extra boxes even if true.
I’m not sure there’s actually evidence that the mother of a six year old whose father died two years ago is in fact queer.
Her wife might dispute that.
It’s probably due to the reports talking about either her “partner” or her “wife”.
Not erasing part of someone’s identity is not confining them to extra boxes.
Also, queer encompasses bisexual and pansexual, so the fact that she had a child and was married to a man is irrelevant.
Yup. Friend of mine finally cut loose her deadweight husband after 2 kids. She started dating an amazing woman and I’ve never seen her more happy. Luckily she also got custody, and her kids are awesome human beings.
The best men are just average women.
Having kids does not mean you’re not queer.
There are straight and bi queer people.
They‘re the brownshirts given a badge.
Hard to have a Night of the Long Knives without them and the administration does enjoy that playbook.
Remember when AOC voted to stop the rail union strikes?
They always have been. No need for them to exist, period. I prefer open borders over THIS.
eyup. I understood having to control a border but if the payment to do it is this. Then let it go be whatever it will be.
I never had to have a passport to visit Canada growing up. Used to cross the Rio Grande with tour groups in Big bend National Park, no border patrol anywhere.
Ok. So do something about it then. Enough empty threats.
She has to fight two parties to accomplish anything.
The “do something about it” is not only for AOC, but for all sane Americans.
The longer this rot is allowed to spread and act freely in your country, the harder it will be to get rid of.
The rot has decades of inertia behind it and it benefits the donors to both major parties.
We need a general strike, but too many people are already right at the edge of destitution and are scared of being the one person who walks out and loses everything and has to face fascism while homeless. And the unhoused are pretty high up on the “then they came for” list, with even democrats like newsom working against them.
