Fuck Reddit, fuck spez, fuck all the mods on that site. Nuke it from orbit
The interesting thing is that it does not look like a permanent/always thing. A couple of days I also got these Pop-Ups (which you can circumvent by using “Desktop-Mode” in your mobile Browser) but I do not get them anymore. Is some kind of A/B testing ongoing or did they remove the changes?
True !
It will well and truly be dead and gone once old.reddit.com stops working. It remains the one good way to view the site, regardless of device.
My theory is that they realize that a significant number of power users on the site are still using old.reddit.com, so they are keeping it going because getting rid of it would turn the website into a ghost town. They will continue to push their app and new website because they can push more advertising through it to the people that are just there to consume.
You think there are still redditors around?
I think it’s just troll farms and bots. Every once in a while someone stumbles into the site and says something. THEN there is a whirlwind of answers/speculations/theories/lies.
A.I is running the show. If I use a certain word or phrase I get filtered. If I say the exact same thing without those “catch phrases” then I see a few votes.
I treat the site as a test site for trying language that gets PAST the trolls.
One thing I’ve noticed lurking on AITA is that there’s suddenly more people casually talking about being religious. Not like overtly preaching like you’d see in the past, but more people referencing going to church or doing things for religious reasons.
It just seemed out of place and weird. Like the tone of that part of the internet suddenly changed. It’s still more liberal than conservative, though that conflict seems to be mostly just not present, perhaps in part because of their rule against political topics, though even when some slip through, it does seem to lean more liberal or even progressive than conservative. Like plenty of abortion support, no broad support for tribal or hierarchical judgements. But it suddenly seems more religious. Christian, specifically.
While church attendance is NOW declining rapidly?
I suspect a Christian troll farm at work here. They NEED to indoctrinate at an early age to survive.
They can’t use FACTS, their bible doesn’t have any good ones.
As a history nerd there are a lot of pretty good facts in the bible, and there are lots of things that are actually historically accurate. So no I wouldn’t say there aren’t any good facts
Good facts for indoctrinating youth.
I could have been a bit clearer. My bad.
You think there are still redditors around?
I think it’s just troll farms and bots. Every once in a while someone stumbles into the site and says something. THEN there is a whirlwind of answers/speculations/theories/lies.
I guess it depends on where you look. All the subs I’ve been visiting where people actually hang out, rather than just a handful of karma farmers spamming, are still flourishing*, so I never fully switched to Lemmy, but use both 🤷 Reddit subs have a magnitude or two more people, so imho they’re better for news, memes and technical advice, while for the past couple years Lemmy feels better for insightful conversations.
* my main subs are for specific games and apps, a few countries/regions, and r/BestofRedditorUpdates, so ymmv
I think the bot percentage is proportional to how big a subreddit is and how profitable influencing people browsing it is.
Niche community about how to proplift (stealing small cuttings to grow your own plants)? Zero or close to zero bots.
Crypto community with thousands of comments a day, where it’s all speculation that can’t be objectively disproven* so bots stick out like a sore thumb and tons of money flying around? You better believe the bots are all over that.
Makes sense!
Idk the nish communities are really helpful, 3d printing, Photoshop help, all that kind of stuff. Hell I even was able to have my Dad’s memorial pic photoshopped by somebody. It turned out good too
It really depends on the subreddits I think. It was starting to really go downhill before I was booted, but most of the issues floated around political, news and general subreddits from what I could tell.
Get into interests, like football or music and there seemed to be less rubbish and bot accounts so to speak. I guess this makes sense but that’s what I noticed going out the ban door as I was.
I think it’s just troll farms and bots
It’s mostly the most frequented subreddits that are being brigaded and farmed.
I can guarantee you the Argentina subreddit is heavily brigaded by the extreme right. That’s the case I know, but it’s easy to imagine it happening in a lot of not so popular subreddits
I just left last month, I’d say 30% users and rest bots
Honestly I find the website borderline unreadable.
On mobile website you haven’t been able to view and replies for a long time. On desktop it’s just so fucking stupid.
Well, there it is. I don’t have a phone.
Clearly my experience is NOT the norm.
(I do have a device at my house that uses VOIP to “act” like a phone)
I haven’t checked how big the ones that I still frequent there (like /r/manybaggers and /r/onebag) but they do still have organic real people posts. Anything news, tech, or politics, anything of that size, I just abandon any hope they’re not troll infested and LLM bots. Not to mention meme subs and themed artwork subs. Just full of vote farming bots. I need the art source, you dinguses!
On the bright side, /r/sbcgaming have a comms here and can also tie into retrogaming
As well as flashlights.
Of course there are redditors around; I’m another one of them. We frequent the cool subs like the very human /r/FreeGameFindings and ignore the rest of the noise. Milk Reddit for the best of what it has to offer and dismiss the rest. I see nothing wrong with this approach for as long as Lemmy is still budding, relatively speaking.
There’s no objective data to confirm or dispel your suspicion that there are
zerofew human Redditors (your hyperbole aside).There’s definitely tons of bots posting and voting (and likely always has been), but I really doubt a large percentage of commenters are bots.
- A non-bot redditor
There’s no objective data to confirm or dispel
You are correct. I have been paying attention to this for a few YEARS now. It is just MY observation of events I have seen. It is NOT my opinion, it is MY direct observation.
Clearly more study is needed. By THIS administration? NEVERMIND!
Why do you think you’re able to detect a bot by their Reddit comments? I strongly suspect you’re assuming low-effort, poorly-written comments are bots, when in reality they’re probably just dumb people.
I am 72 years old and I have been on Reddit for 20 years.
I can tell when key words are suppressed by posting the same thing without using those key words.
I’m not just watching what they say, I’m watching what they do, and how FAST they do it.
I’ve been on Reddit for decades too, and I disagree with you.
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Assuming that a post wasn’t made and made visible because it has key words that were censored isn’t based on logic; you’re guessing.
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I type fast enough that to a 72 year old it might look like magic or a bot.
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Lemmy world does the same thing, but to a lesser extent. Since they have so much of the users on the fediverse, them controlling their front page really controls the votes and who sees what.
How would that work?
We are all on different instances. With different algorithms, technology, and differing filters. The code doesnt support what your saying.
I know nothing about Lemmy’s architecture, but how does my instance tally votes on a post from another instance?
Does it trust that instance? Does it only take into account votes cast on itself? Does it ask every federated instance for their vote totals?
Good questions. Its been a bit since ive looked at lemmys code so im going to dive in again.
Here is the docs for the votes themselves. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-docs/blob/main/src/users/03-votes-and-ranking.md
You can see this in action here: https://lemvotes.org/ if I recall.
I know the vote model is here . You can see the logic here. It checks to see if the post is actually available in the community with other functions and other such checks. It doesnt ask any lemmy instance for totals (unless theres something im not aware of), it tallies based on real time data. Which can also include fediverse actions(not necessarily lemmy/piefed/mbin/etc… but also mastodon, gotosocial, and other such services).
One of the things piefed does a bit differently is it bunches up votes for sending to other instances. And there is a backfill operation when puling from new communities or users. I would argue its a bit better than lemmys system at least from a technical perspective. But its a VERY minor one. Its nice we have multiple ways of getting to the same result-ish.
Hope that helps! I dont know everything but I know a little bit.
That’s quite interesting, thank you! So for an instance to manipulate votes, they’d have to stream a bunch of fake events.
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I dont understand. Can you point to where in the code it has this? The algorithm/stack is open to anyone.
You can read the code? I can’t. It wouldn’t even have to be a permanent code. It cold work for say an hour, take the post out of the running for the front page, and then disappear. The effects would be the same.
I know this is happening, I have no idea how.
If an instance has the most people and blocks those people from seeing your post, delays it from posting, or downgrades it as a source, it could easily be done. They have control over their own instance.
Yeah, but it would be pretty obvious they were doing it.
Old reddit still has screens and moderation tools that haven’t been rebuilt. It’s kept on life support for mods right now.
I think you are vastly underestimating the amount of people that only interact with social media through apps in this day and age. Even on Reddit I would be surprised if the old design is more than a few percent of the user base.
It honestly does raise the question of why they are still maintaining the old UI. It seems like it would be an annoying legacy product to keep alive for a tiny part of the user-base. Perhaps it’s used as an API stability canary or something though.
Not at all. I’m comparing the vast majority that only consume to a small minority that actually interact and provide the content that others consume. Without that minority all that would be left is bot comments.
Reddit pushes an ad and tracking infested app to make money off the consumers while doing the minimum to keep the content submitters on the site even if they make no money off them. I wouldn’t be surprised if old reddit was a couple percent of users but 25% of the comments that aren’t bots.
I would like to agree that most of the original contributions on Reddit today come from people who use old Reddit.
I know this because while I have not had an account there for a while; when I was there, I networked with others to know trends of how they connected
I don’t think this preference has changed , and probably even more use old now
Sadly this is (very popular, according to comments here and on Reddit) copium. old.reddit.com visits are a rounding error, per the traffic stats of the normie subreddit I moderate:
Most people simply do not have the technical acumen and tenure on Reddit to know to type in that subdomain. As always, relevant XKCD (posted today on Lemmy, funnily enough):
I said it in another response, it isn’t visits I’m talking about, it’s about who generates content on the website and what percentage of those users use old.reddit.
It isn’t copium either, we are speculating why Reddit keeps up the old version at all, after all this time they must have some analytics that it would significantly harm the site to disable it.
I don’t have any evidence either way as far as who uses old.reddit to submit versus who doesn’t, and I don’t think there is any.
I have the same thought. I still use Reddit, 100% on Old Reddit and I think objectively you could say I contribute a lot in terms of comments and participation. If old Reddit goes away, I’m done.
Well they certainly are driving more people to it by removing /r/all except on the old subdomain.
old.reddit.com on mobile is a bit rough but otherwise yeah
Use the Slide fork!
from what I heard and saw from some mods (who can see the statistics on the old.reddit usage), it’s less than 10%, sadly.
the vast majority is using the shitty new design
Or the app exclusively, and probably aren’t aware of the web interface at all.
Reddit went full Facebook by making it more accessible to the general public, with the predictable Eternal September results.
they realize that a significant number of power users on the site are still using old.reddit.com
Wonder how they feel about people like me, who use a third party Reddit app on Android? They get no ad revenue from me, and I don’t contribute either.
how are you still doing that, I thought they all shut down like three years ago with the whole API debacle
Reddit blocked third party apps but they didn’t block personal-use API access. With the help of some apk-editing tools that I won’t mention here, you could import your own API key into a third party apps and continue using it fully (including posting and commenting). I’m using Reddit Sync still.
My API key still works, but my understanding is Reddit recently blocked the generation of new keys. So at some point my key will probably die too. At that point, that’s the end of Reddit for me.
I keep seeing people saying that Reddit will be dead when this or that happens. I’ve seen a handful of those things come to pass already and reddit it doing just fine.
Most people don’t care. They will continue using it. It will survive.
Reddit is doing fine and Reddit is fine are two different things.
Most users complain consistently about it. That’s not a good sign for them.
Their popular posts don’t get as many upvotes/comments as they used to. There’s definitely a decline in usage.
It’s being overrun by bots.
Tons of people are getting bot banned off the platform.
It’s not like it’s going to just disappear anytime soon. But I’ve seen this many times before. It’s a dying platform. But it’ll be a slow death. And by death I mean it’ll just become irrelevant compared to other platforms. It’ll probably never actually go away. No one I know uses Facebook anymore. It used to be HUGE. We ALL used it. Now it’s a ghost town on my feed. I’ve messaged people and never got a response and run into them at a birthday or something months later and “Oh sorry, I don’t check it anymore”. It’s still there, but may as well not be. That’s Reddit’s future.
Two things I noticed was most subreddits that weren’t front pagers are getting way less traffic than they used to across the entire site.
The other is why I left: I saw a front page millions of subscribers subreddit go out of their way to temporarily bot purge during the IPO* drama. Upvotes went from 10k+ to…hundreds. Posting frequency fell off a cliff. It was so disturbing I left because I saw that in conjunction with Benn Jordan’s video estimating how much of xshitter was bot traffic which he estimated to be a full third of all traffic on xshitler a year ago.
I’m not defending reddit, nor care if reddit dies, but you are saying shit as if it is fact and not providing any sources to back up anything you are saying, and it might as well be reading nonsense from a Facebook MAGA boomer
I’ve read this exact comment a hundred and one times before you just wrote it. The average end user does not care. We are a vocal minority.
It takes time for the comment to bear out in truth. I’d back it though, it’ll be a slow drip but they’ll all be over here in a few years time.
Sadly this is (very popular, according to comments here and on Reddit) copium. old.reddit.com visits are a rounding error, per the traffic stats of the normie subreddit I moderate:
Most people simply do not have the technical acumen and tenure on Reddit to know to type in that subdomain. As always, relevant XKCD (posted today on Lemmy, funnily enough):
Yup.
I’m down to only using Old Reddit on desktop while I’m stuck at work on weekdays. No time for that shithole on weekends.
If Old Reddit goes, that’ll be it for Reddit for me.
I found the Artemis app and it’s surprisingly close to Apollo and Voyager with Liquid Glass aesthetic and works just as well.
I built this firefox addon to help people move from reddit: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lemmy-deep-lighthouse/
It died for me the day they got rid of .compact
It was the third party apps for me. I never browser Reddit on their site itself.
Agreed
That dumbass app was enough reason why I’m here.
I’d say it’s responsible for at least 75% of us being here!
I’m pretty of the other 25% who came here because we got banned for saying something that offended someone’s feefees. I honestly couldn’t be happier.
RedReader still works and isn’t all that bad.
I will not install their app. Period.
I hope it ends up pushing more people here!
👋 hello it’s me
More people
Welcome!! :)
At the same time, I’m worried the community will worsen. I feel this is the only place left that feels like old internet.
It will get different, of course, with more people. But it won’t suffer the worst curse of Reddit and Digg: unaccountable, fascist corporate admins. If the admins hadn’t become politically captured ban-happy assholes, I’d still be there.
I hope not. New fear!
I think that people leaving Reddit will go to Bluesky, Instagram and Discord…
Like anywhere but on the fedi.
To be fair, I didn’t know anything about the fediverse until I got banned from Reddit. I had tried all the other platforms you listed but none had the interactions the same as Reddit. Too bad we can’t get more publicity somehow.
I deleted it a long time ago
Reddit needs to die like digg did
Digg died because Reddit existed when they started enshittifying. I think Reddit needs a mainstream competitor before it will just drop dead. Until then it will shamble around like a zombie with a bunch of AI powered bots arguing where its brain should be.
I miss Voat it was the best Redditt competitor and was growing fast. 😭
Their moderation policy, unfortunately, turned them into a sewer. I’m pretty sure that hurt them a lot. I get what they were trying to do, but if you don’t kick out the Nazis when you see them, soon you’re “the Nazi place”.
Yeah but they had real free speech unlike places like X/twitter. Gab has free speech but if your not “right winge christion” you get ignored and or attacked.
I hate reddit. They blocked all of my accounts for no reason. And they’re so vague explaining why, and when I tried to appeal, the whole site crashed. Literally joined Lemmy yesterday.
Welcome. Yeah Reddit is an evil forum. Blocked me too when I was doing an ANTI racist statement. Apparently the moderhater thought I was racist, block for life, appeal never helped. I think they cannot read properly.
I got permabanned for threatening violence bc I wished a missile strike on Putin. As if I was planning to do that.
16 year old reddit account. I got a 3 day suspension for “harassment” for telling the mods of a joe rogan sub that their sub is full of “losers”. I was completely censoring myself by being so soft in my critique. Evidently right wing snowflakes are big fans of cancel culture. Deleted the app & here I am!
Guess we are all here. I also had a 10+ year account and the last few months started getting bans for relatively tame views, most of them taken out of context and then I finally got perma banned.
Scrubbed and deleted all my comments with a Firefox extension and deleted my account. If many of us very active users do this, I believe it can make a dent in their content.
It already has. Half the useful answers on there are “removed by ShReddit”.
I need to learn more about what’s OK on federated platforms like lemmy, but Im interested in creating a mirror bot that clones all the posts on Reddit. Just a one-way mirror to help boost content depth. Maybe it would be best to create a dedicated lemmy server for that purpose.
That already exists, it’s called the “lemmit” bot, and it absolutely floods the ‘all’ timeline if you try sorting by latest. It’s an annoying pain.
– Frost
Thank you! That’s crazy man. Man i hate it so much, you can get banned for literally anything, with no solid reason and explanation. It really is evil. Built a niche news subreddit from the ground up and it was doing good, with about 100 members in 2-3 months. Lost it. I was moderating another bigger subreddit aswell, made it grow and better, all for nothing.
I used Reddit since near it’s start, never banned until recently. Apparently saying that public officials who betray their country and the will of the people should be burned at the stake is me making threats. Seems pretty reasonable to me.
But if you had said that about antifa, you would have been fine.
Same here. They don’t want users. They just want bots.
Lol I quit reddit a couple of years ago when they did the API thing. Recently went on there cos I was googling some game stuff that led me there - and I found that the account that was logged in had been banned. I hadn’t commented or voted out even really been there for 2 years and somewhere in that time I earned a ban, somehow. Gotta laugh.
Same.
shrug Fuck that place.
I used reddit for about 4 years. I couldn’t stand it anymore, the bots, the bans for no proper reason. A lot of people recommended Lemmy, but I was reluctant to start using it at first. Glad I finally made it here
Glad to have you. Honestly, I think the smaller community makes it better. Even if there is no unending firehose of memes and shitposts here. You can run out.
Welcome, brother!
welcome my friend
They hate anyone even remotely talking about committing political violence, for one.
Are you from a sanctioned country by any chance?
No, i’m from Sweden.
The enshittification continues.
until morale improves, right?
Not just of reddit but also for some reason Google (at least for me) often recommends <search term> reddit and ranks reddit posts quite highly, so this enshitifies google too.
Google’s demise due to socialmedia walled gardens was kind of understandable, but their decision to lean into Reddit and make themselves extra vulnerable to the whims of a corporation they don’t own, is entirely in them.
i think you have reddit and googles position reversed, reddit is pretty much dependant on google almost entirely, they put thier search bar on the top, allows reddit to use its v3 captch3 to catch “bots/ban” , and then thier sudden appearance of using AI to moderate the site.
When I search for something I often get suggestions for “search term” reddit.
Google have chosen to send people to reddit If reddit make those results unusable that a big fuck up.
Yeah i can’t see Google keep sending mobile users to reddit.
Good.
The more of this they do, the more people move to federated sites.
But will there be enough to counterract the people who just use the app? That’s the real question. No one doubts a move like this increases fediverse people. So did the API scurfuffle, yet people still regularly complain about the fediverse being unpopulated.
I’ve been on fedi since 2015—over a decade. I know it’s gotten bigger. Yet, every year, for 10 years straight, are people who complain about how small the userbase is. I don’t see this at all changing that.
Garbage takes itself out, lol.
I just got banned for saying that I look forward to watching leopards eat James Comey’s face. They took it as a literal call for violence. The only thing that doesn’t make it perfect is that it wasn’t on r/leopardsatemyface.
I would say reddit has fully gone to shit, but somehow I think it still has a ways lower to sink.
They never learn.
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How many are bots?
Its like facebook. Engagement is up, audience is increased, but, its likely by a small number of people. I started noticing that in the Aussie subs, that every week, near the weekend (right before night), there were obvious lobbyist posts, which suddenly shot up (stuff like pro guns, pro- one nation etc). At this point, our local racism party was clearly doing heavy lobbying on the platform (despite losing 30 years of elections, based on reddit, you’d think they were #1).
Like facebook, a lot of people are switching off now, and trying to find alternatives.
Moderation has also gotten really bad recently. I had an account for 14+ years, never got banned. Made a new account, and within a few months, I got a temp ban for apparently being racist (despite the fact, I spent a lot of time arguing AGAINST racism).
On facebook in fact, on the heatpump posts, I actually noticed 1 or 2 names pop up on almost all the adverts saying they were an engineer, and that heatpumps don’t work, etc (with bad info). Reddit allows infinite accounts, and no doubt, it is not much better there
IKR, I left reddit a couple of years ago when they did the API thing, and even then it felt like there were a lot of bots around. I can only imagine that’s increased massively with Gen AI having become so ubiquitous. If I were an advertiser or investor, that’s a question that would worry me.
Advertisers and investors are drinking the same coolaid. It’s the customers of those advertisers that need to be questioning their ad space purchases.
The average moron decides the rest of our fate. The average moron decided to sell our privacy wholesale and ask for seconds . Let’s face it, intelligent people are just on the moron boat ride, and there is nothing we can do about it.
They are failing and they know it. You talk about money, but the rest of us talk about legacy and longevity. Reddit is dying.
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Objectively their business is doing well. Their social network is clearly dropping off like most others. Real people are posting much less across the board, Reddit is turning into a passive AI fueled entertainment platform.
They have learned being evil makes a lot of money
You guys are still using reddit?
For porn, exclusively
This man gets it 👆
Yep
I have a bit of a following there for the stuff I create
Lemmy just doesn’t compare
I did too, until they ip banned me for using a vpn
Surely there are better sources? What kinda kinks you got? Lots of furry shit?
Yeah it’s actually pretty top notch for that across the board, kinks or otherwise.
They blocked NSFW content for users who aren’t logged in last I checked. Still the case? I refuse to test it by visiting their cancer site.
No idea. When I got booted, I deleted my account and haven’t been back other than random internet searches.
I have enough personal experiences I can draw on for rubbing one out. What was really good were the OF people dropping their enticers for people to sign up. They’re good at what they do, the porn is realistic.
Same, I sometime go to redgifs if the wife isn’t up to it, and the content there is quite good but you gotta dig for it in the niches. The front page is filled almost entirely with immediate full frontal dildo fucking with ahegao and I’m so fucking not into that.
I need buildup, some romance, some passion. Otherwise it’s boring.
Reality is important to me with it. This contrived created stuff you see with professional work, its just not real.
They’ve fucked the interface with redgifs for countries that require age verification
I’m verified, because I’m a content creator, but reddit doesn’t recognise it
They’ll probably fix it quickly given how heavily they rely on porn traffic
The T&A need to come this wayy
I use reddit to lurk in niche communities that have zero to no presence here.
To steal content so you don’t have to. ;)
It’s just websites. I’m not downloading your shitty app to look at your website. That’s what a browser is for.
