I think she might be going a little deaf. Anytime anyone mentions the files she just keeps asking “Pardon Me?"

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    Considering the Dems don’t control the House, Senate, or White House, the only power they do have currently is promising future prosecution if they take back one of the branches of government. The Republican-led congress and White House are obviously not going to do anything.

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      What a ridiculous system. So basically politicians in the ruling government can’t be held responsible and prosecuted according to the law if they hold power in the government?

      I mean, I already knew the American legal system was a fucking joke when Trump got away with all his crimes and then he pardoned a ton of other criminals. Even though he shouldn’t have this kind of power, he’s the President.

      But now you’re saying that certain other people in the government cannot be prosecuted either? WTF?!

      • I’m no big fan of the Democrats, but historically they are willing to get rid of their own when even accused of wrongdoing. See Senator Al Franken for the silliest example of this.

        Republicans will not, in the vast majority of cases, do the same.

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        So basically politicians in the ruling government

        Well yes and no. If you are thinking of it like a parliamentary system don’t. We don’t require the formation of a government through a majority party of coalition.

        Each representative is elected to an existing body and they have to figure it out.

        So theoretically you can have multiple combinations on which party controls the House of Representatives, the Senate, and the presidency. Honestly we don’t even have to have parties you could have every seat filled by politically unaligned independents.

        Currently all elected offices in the federal government are controlled by the Republicans. They will not remove their own party’s president.

        But theoretically in the mid terms the democratic party could become the majority in the House and the Senate. The president would of course still be the same. But they could then attempt to remove him from office through impeachment.

        It’s a confusing mess, but yeah that’s the US system

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        The problem is that you have a majority on the Supreme Court that are blatantly abusing their power and ignoring the law when it advances their side’s agenda, including just declaring the president to be above the law.

        This would be the kind of thing that should lead to impeachment, but that requires a supermajority in the senate (because you don’t want whichever party has a majority to be able to easily abuse the impeachment process) but that won’t happen because every single republican with even a hint of integrity has been pushed out by Trump over the past decade. And even if there were Republicans that weren’t entirely corrupt, dismantling your own Supreme Court majority would be a tough sell politically. And even if they did remove the existing justices, it would just mean that Trump would get to appoint new ones that would be much worse and with many more years ahead of them.

        And with Trump filling the executive branch with the worst scumbags he can find, chosen specifically for their willingness to be loyal sycophants who won’t let ethics or laws get in the way of doing his bidding, you aren’t going to get any help there. Again, this is exactly why the senate has to approve appointments but they are also scumbags right now. And for the same reason, the impeachment that should be happening for basically every member of this administration are not coming.

        All that being said, there is resistance coming from both the executive and judicial branches. This administration has been firing people illegally in part because it can’t get them to do the illegal shit they want them to do. And those illegal actions and the related illegal firings have been taken to court and the administration has lost nearly 95% off the time. Sometimes the Supreme Court has stepped in to bail them out, but in most cases the ruling stands and the administration has eventually complied.

        All of which is to say that, while there are many flaws both big and small in the American system, it isn’t the system itself that is at fault here, it’s the elected officials and the corrupt assholes they appointed. There is no system that will work when every branch of government is in the hands of people who ignore their ethical and legal obligations.

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          So it is the system’s fault for allowing this. Why not make the system so that the president or the ruling party alone cannot appoint the supreme court justices.

          I mean I only spent 5 minutes thinking about this, but why not make the appointments work the same way they vote for laws? I.e. both parties, not individuals, have to vote and get a majority to appoint, and only in emergency situations could anyone appoint a justice without a vote.

          The same should be done for appointing the highest attorneys in the country.

          How fucking stupid is it to allow the ruling party to control the justice system. It’s just asking to be abused by fascists.

          Law should be politically impartial.

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            No system will long survive players acting in bad faith. There’s no system you can come up with that is immune to conservatives and capitalists fucking with it. It might take them years, but they will never stop. They are the worst people on earth. If you could thanos-snap away conservatives, the world would become a better place overnight. Every problem we’re facing is either their fault, or made worse by them.

            And we’re never going to get rid of conservatives. There are always going to be shitty humans who believe their in-group needs to be protected and the out-group needs to be bound. Shitty, scared, little shit bags that will blame brown people or queers or whatever, anything, so they can think down familiar paths and avoid any hard introspection.

            So I don’t know. You don’t stop building a home because the elements are always trying to tear it down. But you can’t punch the wind in the fucking throat so hard they cry and vomit at the same time, so maybe it’s not quite the same as a maga hat.

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          The problem is that you have a majority on the Supreme Court

          That’s not a requirement for impeachment and removal. That’s an independent power of Congress.

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            If only I’d posted more than one sentence, maybe I could have addressed the issue of impeachment… even though the comment I was responding to specifically mentioned the legal system, and the point I was making was about how no legal safety mechanism can function when the people in charge of it are corrupt, which is a problem when the people at the top in all the branches of government are corrupt.

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          That’s how it should be. But it’s literally the opposite right now. Trump is issuing orders to prosecute all of his political “enemies” and the actual criminals in the government are not being prosecuted by the justice system at all.