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  • No, it’s not all paid by our taxes, we literally have to pay insurance which is co-paid by our employer. The healthcare is universal because it’s mandatory to have insurance. If you’re unemployed you have to pay the full insurance yourself which is mind-boggling to me. The system is more similar to the US than true universal healthcare, because healthcare actors are private companies, doctors, and clinics getting reimbursed by insurances and the government.



  • When vegans promote a whole food, plant based diet: “I will only switch when there are drop-in meat and dairy replacements”

    Ok then I guess we’ll develop drop-in meat replacements: “why emulate meat? So processed!”

    It’s amazing if you’re into WFPB, it’s one of the healthier diets out there. You’re just not the target consumer of these meat replacements. But they’re useful for some people to have a better choice. They’re usually not unhealthier than the animal-based product they aim to replace (see meta analysis ).












  • nooch@lemmy.vgtoVegan@slrpnk.netIndian food is saving so many lives
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    1 month ago

    It’s way more sustainable and ethical (and possibly healthier too) to take b12 supplements (even if they’re not sustainably produced) than any amount of animal flesh (other than roadkill I guess).

    • b12 deficiency is widespread even among meat eaters
    • b12 is generally supplemented in animal feed or the animals themselves are supplemented. Skipping the middle man is clearly more sustainable.
    • If the animals are not supplemented, you can’t know if you’re avoiding deficiency. Furthermore a tiny amount of a vitamin (milligram or microgram order of magnitude) takes way fewer resources to produce than 500g of meat/fish.
    • no matter how “humanely” they treat the animals they still get killed, unlike with the supplement. For dairy and eggs the slaughter is more indirect but it is still a fact that animals in the industry end up getting killed.
    • In terms of sustainability, it doesn’t matter that much if a product is local, the most impactful thing is the mode of production or the product itself (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/food-emissions-supply-chain)

    I agree with your overall point that from a population perspective it’s way more practical and impactful to change as many diets as possible instead of focusing on changing diets to 100% plant-based. And I think we should focus on that, broader society interventions instead of advocating for individuals to change their diets.

    But if someone who reads this is facing the choice of taking a supplement versus some animal flesh, there is no ethical or sustainability grounds for choosing the flesh. Also probably no health grounds unless there are compounding issues (eg deficiency + allergies, interacting conditions, etc). I focused on B12 but this applies to many nutrients.

    It’s just not true that a tiny amount of animal flesh will spare you deficiency. It’s also not true that deficiencies are “tough to avoid” on a plant-based diet, especially protein deficiency.